who else thinks that head football coaches should have to teach classes I think that it is bs that in some places coaches are making 100grand or more and don't even have to teach 1 class that's a waste of tax money and I for one plan to talk to my state rep. to make a law to not allow this just my opinion
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Head coaches teach class every day that they are on the practice field with these kids. Head coaches are not hired because they are great teachers in the classroom. What ever the district and school feel is best is what I support in this area. A head football coach spend more time with these kids than any classroom teacher ever will....year around guidance...
Many of them also have the title of athletic director which contributes to their salary, which is a full time year round job dealing with scheduling, eligibility, hiring and firing, etc. for all the other sports. Not all of them only coach football and no classes or anything else, although there are some with a nice salary who do. Just saying...
there are some that are not even the ad or teach any classes this is a waste of tax money should they have a lighter class load yes this is high school football not college or pro I am not going to call any coaches out you can look it up and see for yourself
Welcome to 5A football. Usually don't see this at the 2A or 1A level. .Most 3A coaches teach. How can those coaches at the lower level teach ? Are they not as influential as the 5A coaches ? Why do the Superintendent's allow such? Great question 80s dude.
what do the ones that don't teach at the bigger schools do in the off season we pay them to do nothing this is just plain wrong with tax money
Most AD's are the football coaches. The AD job is a very intense one if done correct. The larger schools have AD secretaries but the smaller schools have only one guy. He may also mow and line the field .Set up the concession stand and ready the ticket booth. He will also lock up and yes cut off the lights. Most ADs are at every game or at least the home games during the off season. Most of these guys are truly dedicated to their schools and the community they live in. Oh they must also listen to criticism for every arm chair QB in the country. Next time we talk to these guys lets remember to thank them for all the thinks that do go right .
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not at the big schools I know a few that have a ad and head coach that do not teach that's 2 big paychecks for sitting on there ass wrong is wrong
You'll also be the same guy calling for their job if they don't win. A head football coach does a hell of a lot at a high school. From checking on kids grades and behavior to game plans to yes lining the field. Is it like that at every single school no, but most of the schools in this state have men that work their rear off. So what happens when the level of education goes down in that coaches classroom because they have to teach but also have to win on the field. Be honest with yourself here, if they dont win on the field they WILL get fired. you have obviously have had a bad experience with a coach and that is very sad, but your feelings are unrealistic at best. Especially at the bigger schools.
Number of head football coaches that also have the position of AD: 4A - 13 of 52 = 25%. 3A - 13 of 52 = 25%.
Let's be honest here; high school coaches, like high school teachers, did not take up the profession to get rich. In SC there are not that many HCs making a six figure salary- and the ones that do, its barely six figures and these are huge schools where they coach. Like someone mentioned a lot of those making the 6 figure or near 6 figure salary are ADs too.... and are extremely experienced. There are no 20-something year old HC in SC making 100K....the few that do, have paid their dues AND if they don't win, they won't be coaching for 100K for very long. I would rather pay a winning HC at a large school 100K (because he is teaching...not only a sport, but some life lessons as well) than some lazy bureaucrat at some do-nothing state agency....
I have had nothing but good relationships with coaches I just want to protect my tax money and I love high school sports may be the only thing that kept me in school back in the day. I just want to protect my tax money its only high school sports everybody likes to win but with the economy the way it is these high salaries for guys that do not teach needs to be cut out and yes 100 grand to just coach is way to much if he teaches and coaches maybe remember folks its are tax dollars
Most of the ones that don't teach that are not also the AD, work as an administrative assistant. Which is basically an assistant principle that is paid a teacher salary. If they did in fact pass your law, all the district would have to do is change the job title to what it actually is that they do, admin assistant. This position requires them to be on duty in the parking lot in the morning and to basically be security all day, along with dealing with other admin duties like books, lockers, discipline, etc. As someone else mentioned, if they are the AD that is a full time job that includes being at the school almost every night late into the night all year. It often includes cutting grass, and a lot of other physical labor at schools that don't make enough gate receipts to hire outside labor to do those things, and that is most schools in the state. AD and head football coaches are janitors, landscapers, mechanics, public transportation drivers, painter, toilet plungers, irrigation specialists, guidance counselors, etc.In season a football coach that is not an AD works about an 80 hour work week. One who is AD works more than that. And then after football those AD's are putting in a 60-70 hour work week the rest of the school year and a 30 hour work week all summer.
my law would have them be teachers in a class and have to teach at least 2 classes a day to let some of you know there are some places in this country that have cut out all sports in school we need to protect are tax money to make sure this does not happen here due to budgets
Why not pay the top English teacher as much? Said teacher reads and grades papers half the evening and is usually a member of various organizations in profession, etc. and turns out educated students. Teaches valuable lessons as well. But these teachers do not make the newspapers 2-3 times a week.
80's if you are a free market guy....and.... if the residents in the district want winning teams and are willing to pay a HC/AD 100K..... the market has spoken...if the HC doesn't win he won't be there long.
still a waste of tax money don't you think more of that money should go to the classroom
You must have misread, there was no request for "pitty," nor did I suggest they deserve pity either. I read back over my post just to make sure, and there was none. There was however the implication in your posts that they do not do anything. I guess the silver lining in this most recent post is that you seem to have dropped that blatantly false assertion, even though you seem to be seeing things that aren't there (or maybe you were just working your 80 hours and simply didn't read it all the way through). I think it is silly that they get paid that much and don't teach, although there aren't very many that don't teach and aren't the AD (which as I said is a full time year round job). Personally, I'm not sure that sports should be connected to school at all. But I am in favor of leaving things up to the people involved, so I say it should be up to the voters in the school district. I'm not big on government controlling everything from a distance. More of a local government, do what works for your community type of guy myself. But you are in good company. Most people today want the government to control local issues and make decisions for us. I suppose we just don't see things like that the same way. AND since you don't have time to read my entire post since you are working so much or you can't understand them, I suppose there really is no use in any further attempts to converse on the topic. Good luck with your bill. I admire those that get off of their couch to participate in the political process.
Who are these lazy people that only coach football and get paid $100K for no more duties than being the head football coach?
A HC/AD that has a winning program and has a salary of $100K.... I fully support. Those coaches are in affluent districts and have worked many years getting to that point in their career- he only gets those jobs by winning. On the other hand, look at the battle in SC government with the Supreme Court trying to legislate away stupidity and ignorance. Regardless of the "law", inept and might I add, well paid, school/district administrators in those under performing schools and districts will continue to fail to grasp the problem. SC has already shown that throwing money at a problem- those districts in the "corridor of shame"- does not work. The dullards and pretenders charged with running those districts squander the money, and in some cases outright abuse their fiscal authority. Legislation does not ameliorate that problem; conversely, it will only serve to exacerbate that problem. Improving the students' education starts at home. My parents taught me infinitely more than any school teacher I had- even more than university professors I had. Home is where the foundation is built. If the parents do not care and do not understand the importance of a sound educational base for their child, then Justice Tequila,..er.. I mean Toal can't legislate it.
Off that soapbox and back to the point of this thread....if Rich-Lex 5 has the resources(which they do) and wants to pay Tommy Terrific Knotts a $100K salary....more power to them. That is money well spent in my opinion and not nearly as abhorrent a waste as my rant in the previous paragraph.
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There is not a high school coach in any sports in the state of SC that should be paid 100K. All coach's in all sports should teach classes. All schools put on paper that coach's are teaching special classes or doing Admin. things but they don't. Don't use my tax money to pay them, students education comes first before all AFTER school sports, and all other things.
And most of the players will not play college ball, but a real Teacher will teach them things that will stay with them for life.
Hey 80's..... seems like you have a personal ax to grind.... there are thousands of other places where the almighty "taxpayer's dollars" are wasted...
Go find a political agenda message board and whine over there.
Football coaches work their butts off, put in long hours, serve as an organizer, counselor, mediator and a million other things each and every day of their lives - not just during the football season. Your general rant about 6-figure salaries, etc is unfounded and inaccurate. Go collect your factual data, take a real good look at what is expected of these men and then look around at your local, state an Federal government... you can find TONS of places to make your "laws"....
To quote you.... "no pity here."
Go find a political agenda message board and whine over there.
Football coaches work their butts off, put in long hours, serve as an organizer, counselor, mediator and a million other things each and every day of their lives - not just during the football season. Your general rant about 6-figure salaries, etc is unfounded and inaccurate. Go collect your factual data, take a real good look at what is expected of these men and then look around at your local, state an Federal government... you can find TONS of places to make your "laws"....
To quote you.... "no pity here."
OK.... I'll bite. Let's say those making $100K a year we cut their salary to $75K annually and they teach classes as well. The HC's making $100K are at large schools....you don't have one making $100K at Baptist Hill, Liberty or Eau Claire. A school like Dutch Fork has about 2000 students...you spread that $25K over 2000 students, that's $12.50 per student extra, over the course of the 9 month school year. Using my ginormous brain, full of all that SC public school "larn'in' ", that comes to roughly $1.40 per student, per month....congratulations, you can buy them each a Big Gulp....once a month. There are a WHOLE lot of better ways of bringing more funding into a classroom than cutting the salary of a winning coach at a large high school. Fiscally sound and all they require are a little work, but you have lazy school/district administrators that think the only way is to go to the school board or legislature and whine...we need more 'muny'. Lets take grants for example. A grant brings exponentially more funding to a school program than cutting a head coach's salary. Not just federal grants, but private sources such as the Kellogg Foundation as well. You just have to be willing to look. The thing you need to receive the grant award is the ability to clearly articulate the problem that the grant funding would be used to solve (and in the corridor of shame pinpointing problems should be easy), a clear plan on how the funding would be used and demonstrating partnerships is always good as well. In some cases these are 6-7 figure grants....not the $25K you took from ole coach Tommy. Cutting a winning HC's salary is flawed reasoning folks...flawed reasoning. Heck, I say give them a bonus if they win the state championship.
We pay administrators six figure salaries in districts that fail miserably academically....lets cut their salary too if no HC is worth $100K.
We pay administrators six figure salaries in districts that fail miserably academically....lets cut their salary too if no HC is worth $100K.
If we pay the HC 100K a year to coach and teach in a class room, then that is one lest Teacher that is needed, so you save around $40K a year or more. Teachers work there buts off to make sure players get that good grade to play football.
Then we should pay most of our Teachers the same 100K, do you want to write that check?
They teach the student so he can play sports and to get a high school education, most football coach's only care if that player can win games for him. What would you want for your son, a football coach that only cares if he wins a game, or a teacher that cares enough that your child gets a education to help him for life? If a real high school coach cares about his players, why would he not say......put that money into the class rooms for teachers, only pay me 65K a year. Class rooms comes first, sports comes 2nd.
Blah, blah, blah...That was not my point. My point was the coaches who are getting paid well are THE BEST of their profession in SC. Like all other professions, the BEST are usually the highest paid. $100,000 is not a lot of money to pay someone who is among the top in the profession.
Why don't you come to my local HS and tell all the Teachers that they don't make a lot of money because the football coach is at the top of his profession and they are not, so the 15,20,25 or more years you have been Teaching the kids to get there education does not count as much as the football coach does.
Using statistics you will only have about 5% or less of your teachers that this would even apply to.
If your teachers don't like their salary, get another job. Don't be hating on others because they chose an area where they can make money for doing a good job.
If your teachers don't like their salary, get another job. Don't be hating on others because they chose an area where they can make money for doing a good job.
