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In terms of accuracy, McCall completed 71% of his passes last year. Hill definitely has a very strong arm and gets our nod as strongest arm.Originally posted by swampfox18:
Just my opinion on the the top ten
1. Collin Hill
2. Austin Scott
3. Avery McCall
4. Steven Duncan
5. Drayton Arnold
6. Micah Young
7. Cole Martin
8. Collin Sneed
9. Carson Spiers
10. Brendon Greene
As for the Accuracy, Strongest arm and Scrambling
Accuracy: Austin Scott
Scrambling: Avery McCall
Strongest Arm: would be a tie between Hill and Duncan in my opinion these two are very similar both kids bring a lot to their team, both have a cannon for an arm.
As for #1 and 2 in my opinion either one could be at # 1. As I said this is just an opinion like everyone else and we all have athletes we think are better fits or better overall then others. I will also say the top 5 are FCS/FBS players in my opinion, the Bottom 5 are FCS players with possibly going FBS in the right situation. I predict 3 of the top 10 go FBS, 3/4 go FCS and the rest go Division II and No I won't say which ones go where because all have the dream of playing FBS and they should, but remember playing at the next level at any division you can still win a championship and get a ring.
This post was edited on 2/14 12:21 AM by swampfox18
This post was edited on 2/14 12:21 AM by swampfox18
Originally posted by Mesh23:
JB, where do you have Tilmon ranked in terms as an Athlete? Judging by the amount interest as an OLB (Clemson, Auburn) and option QB (Georgia Tech, Georgia Southern), having that many people ahead of him seems pretty ironic or are option QBs taken out of the equation?
This post was edited on 2/16 12:20 PM by Mesh23
Originally posted by salley5:
Not sure how Bailey or Armstrong are ranked so low. Both are true dual threats. Armstrong is more polished as a passer. Bailey might be a better runner. Co-Region players of the year in the same region as the kid from Flora. What if either of those kids are throwing it to Denzell Johnson?
Tillman is a good athlete with good size. He will play OLB or SS at the next level and it could be a high level!
Coach...Burgess @ Liberty is a good kid, nice frame but he's skinny and unless he's changed he lets bad plays linger and affect plays afterward. Hopefully he's grown out of that. I've watched him the past 3 years.
Steven Duncan transferred back to Ashley Ridge last season. He's a big 'ol boy!
Snead, Spiers and the two QBs from Dorman and Spartan High are all legit!
You mean TR turned that kid down as QB? Wow..that's all I will say. I looked at his film and he can run.....He listed on his HUDL that he is 6-2/ 215, but to me, he does not look anywhere near that height and not over 195. Is he really 6-2 215? I have not seen him in person.Coach...he played this past season at AR. They were knocked out by Hillcrest. I think he had about 3500 yards, not exactly sure how many. He left PG for tougher comp and more exposure. Sounds like he's an excellent student as well and shouldn't have any problems choosing a school. Not bad for a kid TR didn't want as a QB, huh?
You mean TR turned that kid down as QB? Wow..that's all I will say. I looked at his film and he can run.....He listed on his HUDL that he is 6-2/ 215, but to me, he does not look anywhere near that height and not over 195. Is he really 6-2 215? I have not seen him in person.
I am talking about the Timon kid....I watched film that somebody on this forum posted....If you are talking about the Ashley Ridge QB, he is more along the 6'4"-6'5" range and probably 215-230. As for a runner, I wouldn't say he is a dual threat...lol
I think you are talking about Duncan???I am talking about the Timon kid....I watched film that somebody on this forum posted....
I would go one step farther and offer that there are four types of QBs:Folks.... as I said in my earlier remarks.... this is somewhat of a useless conversation. Your definition of a great QB, might not be the same as my definition of a great QB. So many high school, college and even pro teams have gone towards having a more "athletic" QB in the last 10 years that the position is too diverse to even have this argument.
The football community has tried to identify this issue by splitting labels into "Pocket Passers" and "Dual Threats". This might HELP the discussion, but it certainly doesn't end it. You have QBs like Tillmon (River Bluff), Bailey (Chapin), Dupree Hart (Northwestern) and Armstrong (Dreher) who are phenominal athletes who PLAY QB! They call the plays, they call the motions, they take the snap and then.... watchout! It could be a run, a pass, or something that is just created from a busted play that makes everyone's mouths drop open.
How could you possibly put these kids beside guys like Martin (Nation Ford), Scott (Spartanburg) and Spiers (Greenville) who take 1-step, 3-step or 5-step drops and throw lazers to skilled WRs who then catch and run for big yardage? Martin threw for 4,000 yards but still showed the ability to scramble around and make plays. I debated whether to even referring to him being a "Pocket Passer" - but this simply rienforces my point!
It's like arguing over if an apple or an orange is better - taste better, better for you, last longer, etc.
I think the athletic kids are somehow penalized by a lot of people because they appear to rely on their athletism so much. As if, since they scramble to make things happen, they aren't a "real QB." Riiiiiight...... so all the college and now pro teams scrambling to get these "dual Threat" QB's all have it wrong?
Just watch their highlights and enjoy them for what they are - great QBs that operate in their team's system. If they could not do what they do, their coaches would (hopefully!) be running a different offense! If you have a kid can take-off at a momment's notice, that defenses better crowd the line and contain - terrific! If you have a kid that can flick his wrist and hit a shoebox from 30 yds away - awesome!
But to compare the QB 1.0 to the QB 2.0 is - to me - a whole lot of wasted time....
Enjoy:
Bailey - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2817641/highlights/223405375/v2
Armstrong - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3733511/highlights/206731378/v2
Spiers - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2149050/highlights/178432375/v2
Scott - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2567688/highlights/206494377/v2
I would go one step farther and offer that there are four types of QBs:
Pro-Style
Dual Threat
Running
Option
A true dual threat in my opinion has both the passing AND running ability.
Running QB's strength is obviously running but is far less dangerous in passing game than the true dual threat.
Option guys are the ones out there running the flex, wishbone, triple option type of teams. Keep in mind, simply the ability to be a dangerous runner does not necessarily make a good option QB.
TOTALLY AGREE WITH you! Enjoy these to add to yours...Folks.... as I said in my earlier remarks.... this is somewhat of a useless conversation. Your definition of a great QB, might not be the same as my definition of a great QB. So many high school, college and even pro teams have gone towards having a more "athletic" QB in the last 10 years that the position is too diverse to even have this argument.
The football community has tried to identify this issue by splitting labels into "Pocket Passers" and "Dual Threats". This might HELP the discussion, but it certainly doesn't end it. You have QBs like Tillmon (River Bluff), Bailey (Chapin), Dupree Hart (Northwestern) and Armstrong (Dreher) who are phenominal athletes who PLAY QB! They call the plays, they call the motions, they take the snap and then.... watchout! It could be a run, a pass, or something that is just created from a busted play that makes everyone's mouths drop open.
How could you possibly put these kids beside guys like Martin (Nation Ford), Scott (Spartanburg) and Spiers (Greenville) who take 1-step, 3-step or 5-step drops and throw lazers to skilled WRs who then catch and run for big yardage? Martin threw for 4,000 yards but still showed the ability to scramble around and make plays. I debated whether to even referring to him being a "Pocket Passer" - but this simply rienforces my point!
It's like arguing over if an apple or an orange is better - taste better, better for you, last longer, etc.
I think the athletic kids are somehow penalized by a lot of people because they appear to rely on their athletism so much. As if, since they scramble to make things happen, they aren't a "real QB." Riiiiiight...... so all the college and now pro teams scrambling to get these "dual Threat" QB's all have it wrong?
Just watch their highlights and enjoy them for what they are - great QBs that operate in their team's system. If they could not do what they do, their coaches would (hopefully!) be running a different offense! If you have a kid can take-off at a momment's notice, that defenses better crowd the line and contain - terrific! If you have a kid that can flick his wrist and hit a shoebox from 30 yds away - awesome!
But to compare the QB 1.0 to the QB 2.0 is - to me - a whole lot of wasted time....
Enjoy:
Bailey - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2817641/highlights/223405375/v2
Armstrong - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3733511/highlights/206731378/v2
Spiers - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2149050/highlights/178432375/v2
Scott - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2567688/highlights/206494377/v2
AGREED!Folks.... as I said in my earlier remarks.... this is somewhat of a useless conversation. Your definition of a great QB, might not be the same as my definition of a great QB. So many high school, college and even pro teams have gone towards having a more "athletic" QB in the last 10 years that the position is too diverse to even have this argument.
The football community has tried to identify this issue by splitting labels into "Pocket Passers" and "Dual Threats". This might HELP the discussion, but it certainly doesn't end it. You have QBs like Tillmon (River Bluff), Bailey (Chapin), Dupree Hart (Northwestern) and Armstrong (Dreher) who are phenominal athletes who PLAY QB! They call the plays, they call the motions, they take the snap and then.... watchout! It could be a run, a pass, or something that is just created from a busted play that makes everyone's mouths drop open.
How could you possibly put these kids beside guys like Martin (Nation Ford), Scott (Spartanburg) and Spiers (Greenville) who take 1-step, 3-step or 5-step drops and throw lazers to skilled WRs who then catch and run for big yardage? Martin threw for 4,000 yards but still showed the ability to scramble around and make plays. I debated whether to even referring to him being a "Pocket Passer" - but this simply rienforces my point!
It's like arguing over if an apple or an orange is better - taste better, better for you, last longer, etc.
I think the athletic kids are somehow penalized by a lot of people because they appear to rely on their athletism so much. As if, since they scramble to make things happen, they aren't a "real QB." Riiiiiight...... so all the college and now pro teams scrambling to get these "dual Threat" QB's all have it wrong?
Just watch their highlights and enjoy them for what they are - great QBs that operate in their team's system. If they could not do what they do, their coaches would (hopefully!) be running a different offense! If you have a kid can take-off at a momment's notice, that defenses better crowd the line and contain - terrific! If you have a kid that can flick his wrist and hit a shoebox from 30 yds away - awesome!
But to compare the QB 1.0 to the QB 2.0 is - to me - a whole lot of wasted time....
Enjoy:
Bailey - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2817641/highlights/223405375/v2
Armstrong - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3733511/highlights/206731378/v2
Spiers - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2149050/highlights/178432375/v2
Scott - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2567688/highlights/206494377/v2
Watch out for Collin Sneed at Hillcrest. I think he way underrated.
He certainly has the stats. That's for sure. How big is he? Ht and wt?The kid at Greenville is the BEST.
6'2" 180 with the frame to add more size. Pro style, but can scramble/ step up to extend plays.He certainly has the stats. That's for sure. How big is he? Ht and wt?